Talk:Mosura tai Gojira

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Alouette II

Despite what says some sites like Rotorspot, the Alouette II first deliveries was done after the merge between SNCASE and SNCASO in Sud Aviation in 1957. Therefore only few prototypes and pre-series aircraft has been built as SNCASE in 1956 and early 1957.Sixcyl 00:44, 27 November 2014 (MST)

And why can't this one (and the one featured in Frankenstein Conquers the World) ne one of those...? I'm prepared to trust Rotorspot, and what's good for the other film is good for this one, in my opinion. Kooshmeister 01:19, 27 November 2014 (MST)
And I'd like to point out you yourself said of the Alouette II in Frankenstein Conquers the World, "So this might be an early produced Alouette II," and you apparently had no problems listing that under what Rotorspot claimed it was. So I'm gonna go on a limb and insist that what's good for one film is good for the other, as I said above. Kooshmeister 01:32, 27 November 2014 (MST)

Hello Kooshmeister... as the saying goes only fools never change their minds.
Indeed the name SNCASE must have been used within 2 years, between maiden flight of the first prototype in March 1955 and march 1957 when the merge of Sud-Est and Sud-Ouest was achieved. But as it says here:

French certification was awarded on 2 May 1956, paving the way for production deliveries. Less than a year later, in March 1957, Sud-Est merged with Sud-Ouest, another French aviation firm, to become "Sud Aviation". The Alouette II would become a very successful product for the reborn firm.

The deliveries as SNCASE SE 3130 Alouette II has concerned few samples built between May 1956 to March 1957, all for the French Armée de l'Air, first customer of the aircraft. After 1957, SNCASE name was dropped and the aircraft deliveries were done under the new brand Sud Aviation, though the model type SE 3130 remained active till 1967, then became SA 313, as the SA 318 produced since 1965.
Acoording to website, the first Alouette II delivered to japan was in 1961, therefore JA9012 can't be anything else than Sud Aviation SE 3130 Alouette II.
At least, Rotorspot uses SNCAsud-est name for all models of SE 3130 Alouette II whatever the construction date is, and also for Alouette III SE 3160 though this type has been built after 1957, since the Sud Aviation era (No Alouette III built under SNCASE).
It seems Rotorspot uses SNCASE name for all Alouettes (II and III), just for convenience to their listing choice, as some webiste like French Wikipédia. In another hand, some sites like English Wikpedia and IMPDb has validated Aérospatiale Alouette II, since the aircraft has been produced lastly under this new brand (post 1970).
I hope you won't be upset dear Kooshmeister, but I'm going to change again this naming in the present film Mosura tai Gojira and Furankenshutain tai chitei kaijû Baragon too. Best regards.

http://www.helis.com/timeline/aerospatiale2.php
http://www.airvectors.net/avgazel.html
http://omarrobinson.blogdetik.com/sud-aviation-se3130-alouette-ii-ebook/
http://www.clindailes.ch/exp_alouetteII.html
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=699

Sixcyl 06:49, 29 November 2014 (MST)

Just playing devil's advocate here, but couldn't they just be older models with (newer for the time) Japanese registration? They don't need to have been brand new models made for the Japanese market. Just saying. Do their serial numbers give a clue as to how old they were at the time? Kooshmeister 09:46, 30 November 2014 (MST)

Yes, I agree with this point of view.
Unfortunately, I can't find back one of the many sites talking about this subject, saying that the first Alouette II which entered the japanese market was in 1961 for 2 or 3 private japanese companies. Sixcyl 11:13, 30 November 2014 (MST)

Identification

The seaplane is a Grumman HU-16 Albatross of the Kaijō Jieitai (Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force).Sixcyl 00:58, 27 November 2014 (MST)